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ady_aly wrote:
Ok, you may say that 6-7 seasons between 33 and 40 years of age is enough to build newcomers, but as I said, with only a few active managers we have several times less talent in our academies than in more popular countries. I pull out a player with 4.5 stars talent once in two seasons.
The conclusion is that NT literally keeps players from weaker countries in the game. Without that rule, you would not have any competition from our country and I believe that is not what you guys want. |
Interesting point, but i think the game is enough (or too much in my opinion^^) random (see the Mexican last cup in semi final, argentina before, and Brazil before) to keep a decent competition against 3,5/4 talented players (which is the big majority of french NT players i have to say). Even if, of course, you will win less, but that would be the expression of reality. And you really imagine playing in 20 seasons with a majority of 60 yo players ? Someone who discover the game would think we are all crazy people to stay playing this ! 
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What I already did in my NT manager career is that I let top-class players from BOT teams go and now we play only with players from teams of active managers. Not to lie, I still hold one left-handed guy, but it will be replaced as soon as we have a replacement from the active player. Now if I release players from active managers, those managers would be forced to train players with talent 3-4 just to have something for NT which is not fair because it impacts the manager's budget to pay their salary and he still can't use them in regular league games to compete with other top players. |
I understand, and in my case i started to doing this with my team, training french players 3,5 or 4 talent (3 is really weak but why not for a left-handed), so not great but honest, and when their salaries go more to 2000 i sell them and who knows if they won't be decent players without cost me money.
Because there is an important point i didn't talk about yet : the transfer market will regain in interest with such a "revolution" ! For sure, and so your players would have more chance to go in a team which finish to train them correctly... But maybe i'm wrong with this point. 
And for the part with other managers training teams from another region, that is truly impossible to rely on. The game probably has automatic mechanisms to ban players from the same computer, and even without that, we cannot rely on a single person that he will continue to develop that another team for 4 years in real life.
PS One interesting note 
Even on our real national team, we have Nikola Prce that is our best player at the age of 41, and Mirsad Terzic as our best defensive player at the age of 37. |
I'm not sure for the automatic mechanisms, but indeed it would be a serious problem ! ^^ Is there specialists about that to answer ? ^^ Personnally I would play my other team with motivation if it's on a better game ! Not a game with teams which play with the 8 or 9 same national players during 30 seasons, and who just connect to make their match sheet... zzzz
Of course there are always exceptions in real life, the limit could be 42 or 45, i dont'know, 40 is just more easy to see them immediately on the roster 
By the way thanks for the debate ady-aly, my brain is starting to smoke english fog i believe ! |
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Alexsoulsay wrote:
Stoik wrote:
Alexsoulsay wrote:
And Stoik,
I have one more question  You say, you want to make a changes here... But you yourself keep players over the age of 40 in the NT team and also from the boot team. Kilian Bonhomme, Alan Jaouen
And you are not alone from the top teams!
Sweden - Daniel Emmerdahl, Anthon Rimgård
Croatia - Mišo Krpetić, Anto Nedić, Ratko Lacić
Bosnia and Herzegovina - Ilija Banjanović, Adnan Papaz
Slovenia - Saša Golmajer, Leo Janež, Bruno Markl, Jasmin Poklar, Vladimir Pregelj, Anton Pučnik, Jaša Sever, Aljoša Skebe, Anej Vesel, Jernej Zbačnik, Timotej Podkrajšek
And these are only players from boot teams older than 40 years from the first 11 teams in the rankings.
Which, for example, our NT manager does not do. We only play with players from active teams! That sounds fair to us. Do not keep a player in the NT team that no longer plays.
I take this one as a more unfair thing! Because if you retiere these players from NT. You do not endanger anyone's active team and you can rank players from active teams (motivate active managers). |
What you notice here is interesting Alex because you are saying to me that because your nt manager and you feel it's a fair thing everybody will do it (without developpers fixing) and you say the opposite with my idea, that without a fix from developpers why nt's manager would retire their 40+ ? So i believe you can't blame us for the moment... because nobody ask me my opinion about that before... 
By the way, of course i'd like to fire them (i've started to fire 2 others 40+ since the topic), but why should i do it NOW if a majority doesn't want to try to change things, even with a transition time ? But if it's the only way i would do the 2 sacrifices of course ! 
(i will read and try to answer ady aly long post later ^^ )
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No, no, no Stoik, please don't turn things over!!!
1) I only speak for myself, not our community (I never quoted our coach)
2) I don't blame anyone
3) I insist that the only fair way can come from developers
I just said I find it weird to come up with the idea of change. At the same time, I keep players with boot teams. This will not support active managers. And you're not with NT for the first season, are you?
That's why it can never work, because most people never agree here.
At the same time, everyone understands that players over the age of 40 should not be held in NT.
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Hey, cool Alex ! I probably have been clumsy and i excuse myself if it was the case... That was just a rhetorical thing...
So what is weird ? The idea comes when one of the last french coach (team Kana) tells me how the game was boring him, that he was not far to stop cause of the way the game takes, and that just made me thinking about a solution, and after ? What's ununderstandable ?
Until this i did what another national manager told me by pm : my job is to have the best team. And i did with players who were in the team when i arrive, 4 or 5 seasons before this one...
So you see : everybody can see the light ! 
And moreover, the light is so bright  that to prove i don't do some "weird" thing here, i fire them now ! 
Because the game is more important to me than the chauvinism of my national team. And now i think about it, our victories would probably have now a better taste than before !
But don't forget i understand and i respect your point of view, that your aim is the same to me, and please, don't think i'm saying you are chauvinist  or something else... I just talking about my enlighted move... |
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Stoik wrote:
Alexsoulsay wrote:
Stoik wrote:
Alexsoulsay wrote:
And Stoik,
I have one more question You say, you want to make a changes here... But you yourself keep players over the age of 40 in the NT team and also from the boot team. Kilian Bonhomme, Alan Jaouen
And you are not alone from the top teams!
Sweden - Daniel Emmerdahl, Anthon Rimgård
Croatia - Mišo Krpetić, Anto Nedić, Ratko Lacić
Bosnia and Herzegovina - Ilija Banjanović, Adnan Papaz
Slovenia - Saša Golmajer, Leo Janež, Bruno Markl, Jasmin Poklar, Vladimir Pregelj, Anton Pučnik, Jaša Sever, Aljoša Skebe, Anej Vesel, Jernej Zbačnik, Timotej Podkrajšek
And these are only players from boot teams older than 40 years from the first 11 teams in the rankings.
Which, for example, our NT manager does not do. We only play with players from active teams! That sounds fair to us. Do not keep a player in the NT team that no longer plays.
I take this one as a more unfair thing! Because if you retiere these players from NT. You do not endanger anyone's active team and you can rank players from active teams (motivate active managers). |
What you notice here is interesting Alex because you are saying to me that because your nt manager and you feel it's a fair thing everybody will do it (without developpers fixing) and you say the opposite with my idea, that without a fix from developpers why nt's manager would retire their 40+ ? So i believe you can't blame us for the moment... because nobody ask me my opinion about that before...
By the way, of course i'd like to fire them (i've started to fire 2 others 40+ since the topic), but why should i do it NOW if a majority doesn't want to try to change things, even with a transition time ? But if it's the only way i would do the 2 sacrifices of course !
(i will read and try to answer ady aly long post later ^^ )
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No, no, no Stoik, please don't turn things over!!!
1) I only speak for myself, not our community (I never quoted our coach)
2) I don't blame anyone
3) I insist that the only fair way can come from developers
I just said I find it weird to come up with the idea of change. At the same time, I keep players with boot teams. This will not support active managers. And you're not with NT for the first season, are you?
That's why it can never work, because most people never agree here.
At the same time, everyone understands that players over the age of 40 should not be held in NT.
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Hey, cool Alex ! I probably have been clumsy and i excuse myself if it was the case... That was just a rhetorical thing...
So what is weird ? The idea comes when one of the last french coach (team Kana) tells me how the game was boring him, that he was not far to stop cause of the way the game takes, and that just made me thinking about a solution, and after ? What's ununderstandable ?
Until this i did what another national manager told me by pm : my job is to have the best team. And i did with players who were in the team when i arrive, 4 or 5 seasons before this one...
So you see : everybody can see the light !
And moreover, the light is so bright that to prove i don't do some "weird" thing here, i fire them now !
Because the game is more important to me than the chauvinism of my national team. And now i think about it, our victories would probably have now a better taste than before !
But don't forget i understand and i respect your point of view, that your aim is the same to me, and please, don't think i'm saying you are chauvinist or something else... I just talking about my enlighted move... |
I don't feel anything bad on your part. It is OK  I'm also upset that admins don't care about the game. But on the side hand, I understand them, because this type of game is no longer in, and when something is not earning today, there is no interest in doing something.
Basically, I'm glad this game is still running. Good luck |
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With France proposing, Spain onboard (with Poland somehow onboard and Romenian not having this problem) I THINK WE ARE GETTING CLOSE TO REACHING CRITICAL MASS!
Congrats to France on retiring beforehand his players.Thumbs Up!
What would happen to the many 10 years old investments in the game if the plug is disconnect on us all?
Please dont let selfish feelings and old grudges get in the way of this.
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Hi all,
Thanks to Stoik for raising this issue in the game again. In Denmark, shifting NT coaches have continously tried to keep the age of the players low and sacked players when they became to old and last season we even won the World Cup with all players being below 40 years old which proves it's possible to compete with players at reasonable ages. |
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| As the Australian coach, I support this initiative. However, I think it should be implemented gradually. I'd say keep 3 over the 40 players for now and decrease that number each season. For me, it's really difficult to replace two of the over 40 players immediately. Our selection pool is very narrow and it would only make the game more difficult for us. |
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Well, I just changed my strategy a couple of seasons ago to only have old NT players and this is going to screw me up a lot.
I agree with the project, but it is not the best for me personally. |
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rayao wrote:
Well, I just changed my strategy a couple of seasons ago to only have old NT players and this is going to screw me up a lot.
I agree with the project, but it is not the best for me personally. |
I understand, and you're probably not the only one.
But as we say in France "we can't make an omelett without breaking eggs"
More seriously, i'm not sure the best way to enjoy the game is to play during 30 seasons and maybe more with the same old 10 players squad... But yes it is (was?) a good strategy to win (i saw you bought an expansive american player, but he has at least 6 years to play IF... some players would be a lot more impacted than you in my opinion) without spending too much time and take too much risks.
And before all, thanks rayao to agree with the project !
See you soon on the field ! |
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