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For this season I propose to halve the number of players aged 40 and over and to keep only seven in the national team.
This for two reasons: to allow Russia to remain competitive and to gradually allow them to integrate young players who will mature in 2 or 3 seasons. |
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danic wrote:
For this season I propose to halve the number of players aged 40 and over and to keep only seven in the national team.
This for two reasons: to allow Russia to remain competitive and to gradually allow them to integrate young players who will mature in 2 or 3 seasons. |
I note it ! |
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Hi everyone,
I am speaking in front of the Bosnia and Herzegovina national team.
Although I totally encourage and support any idea of making the game more competitive and interesting, unfortunately, I think that this concrete suggestion is not possible to apply fairly to the entire game, even if we all agree and do what we need to do.
There are weaker countries (like mine) that have only a few active managers that are capable of developing top-class players, in comparison with Spain or Poland, where we have dozens of managers, so are opportunities to develop the national team much better. We spent 4-5 real-life years to develop such players and without keeping them in NT we could use them for only 2-3 seasons. So keeping them in the NT actually solves another problem of early retirements. It is luck that the game has that mechanism of reducing physical skills over time, so top-class players in their 33-34 are getting more chances to win against top-class players in their 40s. That's something like a lucky spot that teams with more active managers can leverage to win the competition. So I want to say that even with the current rules, Spain and Poland will have more chances to develop a better national team than Bosnia and Herzegovina (as in real life since they are more financially developed).
Ok, you may say that 6-7 seasons between 33 and 40 years of age is enough to build newcomers, but as I said, with only a few active managers we have several times less talent in our academies than in more popular countries. I pull out a player with 4.5 stars talent once in two seasons.
The conclusion is that NT literally keeps players from weaker countries in the game. Without that rule, you would not have any competition from our country and I believe that is not what you guys want.
What I already did in my NT manager career is that I let top-class players from BOT teams go and now we play only with players from teams of active managers. Not to lie, I still hold one left-handed guy, but it will be replaced as soon as we have a replacement from the active player. Now if I release players from active managers, those managers would be forced to train players with talent 3-4 just to have something for NT which is not fair because it impacts the manager's budget to pay their salary and he still can't use them in regular league games to compete with other top players.
And for the part with other managers training teams from another region, that is truly impossible to rely on. The game probably has automatic mechanisms to ban players from the same computer, and even without that, we cannot rely on a single person that he will continue to develop that another team for 4 years in real life.
PS One interesting note 
Even on our real national team, we have Nikola Prce that is our best player at the age of 41, and Mirsad Terzic as our best defensive player at the age of 37. |
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Hi!
Sweden NT here. I hear what you say, and I don't disagree, but.
I second what Ady_Aly says.
There is one major concern for me.
The players I'm sending to retirement is not my players. Even if time have come for several of them.
This can't happen without tought and time. I won't send teams to their ends bc a new thread of an old discussion in the forums.
Maybe a boring statement, but I will start the thread in the swedish forums and see what the others say |
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And Stoik,
I have one more question  You say, you want to make a changes here... But you yourself keep players over the age of 40 in the NT team and also from the boot team.  Kilian Bonhomme, Alan Jaouen
And you are not alone from the top teams!
Sweden - Daniel Emmerdahl, Anthon Rimgård
Croatia - Mišo Krpetić, Anto Nedić, Ratko Lacić
Bosnia and Herzegovina - Ilija Banjanović, Adnan Papaz
Slovenia - Saša Golmajer, Leo Janež, Bruno Markl, Jasmin Poklar, Vladimir Pregelj, Anton Pučnik, Jaša Sever, Aljoša Skebe, Anej Vesel, Jernej Zbačnik, Timotej Podkrajšek
And these are only players from boot teams older than 40 years from the first 11 teams in the rankings.
Which, for example, our NT manager does not do. We only play with players from active teams! That sounds fair to us. Do not keep a player in the NT team that no longer plays.
I take this one as a more unfair thing! Because if you retiere these players from NT. You do not endanger anyone's active team and you can rank players from active teams (motivate active managers). |
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Alexsoulsay wrote:
And Stoik,
I have one more question You say, you want to make a changes here... But you yourself keep players over the age of 40 in the NT team and also from the boot team. Kilian Bonhomme, Alan Jaouen
And you are not alone from the top teams!
Sweden - Daniel Emmerdahl, Anthon Rimgård
Croatia - Mišo Krpetić, Anto Nedić, Ratko Lacić
Bosnia and Herzegovina - Ilija Banjanović, Adnan Papaz
Slovenia - Saša Golmajer, Leo Janež, Bruno Markl, Jasmin Poklar, Vladimir Pregelj, Anton Pučnik, Jaša Sever, Aljoša Skebe, Anej Vesel, Jernej Zbačnik, Timotej Podkrajšek
And these are only players from boot teams older than 40 years from the first 11 teams in the rankings.
Which, for example, our NT manager does not do. We only play with players from active teams! That sounds fair to us. Do not keep a player in the NT team that no longer plays.
I take this one as a more unfair thing! Because if you retiere these players from NT. You do not endanger anyone's active team and you can rank players from active teams (motivate active managers). |
What you notice here is interesting Alex because you are saying to me that because your nt manager and you feel it's a fair thing everybody SHOULD (edit) do it (without developpers fixing) and you say the opposite with my idea, that without a fix from developpers why nt's manager would retire their 40+ ? So i believe you can't blame us for the moment... because nobody ask me my opinion about that before... 
By the way, of course i'd like to fire them (i've started to fire 2 others 40+ since the topic), but why should i do it NOW if a majority doesn't want to try to change things, even with a transition time ? But if it's the only way i would do the 2 sacrifices of course !  
(i will read and try to answer ady aly long post later ^^ )
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Hampus wrote:
Hi!
Sweden NT here. I hear what you say, and I don't disagree, but.
I second what Ady_Aly says.
There is one major concern for me.
The players I'm sending to retirement is not my players. Even if time have come for several of them.
This can't happen without tought and time. I won't send teams to their ends bc a new thread of an old discussion in the forums.
Maybe a boring statement, but I will start the thread in the swedish forums and see what the others say |
Thanks for your answer and asking the swedish community Hampus ! Doing it progressivly seems to be a decent alternative for some country to me too ! |
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Spain coach by PM :
"Stoik
I will remove players from bot team and one active player 37 yo ( five players)
and add players ( 30 or 31 or 32 years old )
For the 40+ yo players I will keep only two for this world cup (transition year)
Dany"
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ItalianoPL coah of Slovenia by PM (very impacted team) :
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Hi.
I think you are right with the age of the players.
It would be necessary to somehow rejuvenate these staff.
As the coach of the Slovenian national team, I will try to find players under 40 ...
As you have calculated, in my team there are as many as 13 players aged over 40, some of them are already approaching 50 ...
Unfortunately, these are the effects of the negligence of the other selectors of this staff ...
Also Slovenia does not have too many active teams, which to some extent makes it impossible to rejuvenate the team ...
Unfortunately the programmers have done nothing to block such things ... and unfortunately they will not.
think leaving a maximum of 4 players over 40 years old would be a good idea.
greatings"
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Stoik wrote:
Alexsoulsay wrote:
And Stoik,
I have one more question You say, you want to make a changes here... But you yourself keep players over the age of 40 in the NT team and also from the boot team. Kilian Bonhomme, Alan Jaouen
And you are not alone from the top teams!
Sweden - Daniel Emmerdahl, Anthon Rimgård
Croatia - Mišo Krpetić, Anto Nedić, Ratko Lacić
Bosnia and Herzegovina - Ilija Banjanović, Adnan Papaz
Slovenia - Saša Golmajer, Leo Janež, Bruno Markl, Jasmin Poklar, Vladimir Pregelj, Anton Pučnik, Jaša Sever, Aljoša Skebe, Anej Vesel, Jernej Zbačnik, Timotej Podkrajšek
And these are only players from boot teams older than 40 years from the first 11 teams in the rankings.
Which, for example, our NT manager does not do. We only play with players from active teams! That sounds fair to us. Do not keep a player in the NT team that no longer plays.
I take this one as a more unfair thing! Because if you retiere these players from NT. You do not endanger anyone's active team and you can rank players from active teams (motivate active managers). |
What you notice here is interesting Alex because you are saying to me that because your nt manager and you feel it's a fair thing everybody will do it (without developpers fixing) and you say the opposite with my idea, that without a fix from developpers why nt's manager would retire their 40+ ? So i believe you can't blame us for the moment... because nobody ask me my opinion about that before...
By the way, of course i'd like to fire them (i've started to fire 2 others 40+ since the topic), but why should i do it NOW if a majority doesn't want to try to change things, even with a transition time ? But if it's the only way i would do the 2 sacrifices of course !
(i will read and try to answer ady aly long post later ^^ )
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No, no, no Stoik, please don't turn things over!!!
1) I only speak for myself, not our community (I never quoted our coach)
2) I don't blame anyone
3) I insist that the only fair way can come from developers
I just said I find it weird to come up with the idea of change. At the same time, I keep players with boot teams. This will not support active managers. And you're not with NT for the first season, are you?
That's why it can never work, because most people never agree here.
At the same time, everyone understands that players over the age of 40 should not be held in NT.
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