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Hallo all sensible managers,
I think, I can say, I am the veteran of this game. I love this game so much, but game can't go this way no more. Racional people can see, that old players (40 plus) destroy this manager. Newcomers have no motivation stay here, because way to league elite is too long and vaterans managers can play with these old playes so long as they wish.
I think, old players without decreasing skills (ok - without physical) is stupid. I understand, that NT results are the matter of national pride and personal results are the driving force, but ....... Please don't go against logic.
My idea? We can bring an offer to admins, we make a donate collection, if they make changes. Admins can say realistic price. And result - for example player can play till age 38.
Thanks for feedback, have a nice 30th season Alexsoulsay
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Alexsoulsay wrote:
Hallo all sensible managers,
I think, I can say, I am the veteran of this game. I love this game so much, but game can't go this way no more. Racional people can see, that old players (40 plus) destroy this manager. Newcomers have no motivation stay here, because way to league elite is too long and vaterans managers can play with these old playes so long as they wish.
I think, old players without decreasing skills (ok - without physical) is stupid. I understand, that NT results are the matter of national pride and personal results are the driving force, but ....... Please don't go against logic.
My idea? We can bring an offer to admins, we make a donate collection, if they make changes. Admins can say realistic price. And result - for example player can play till age 38.
Thanks for feedback, have a nice 30th season Alexsoulsay
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I completely agree with everything you wrote.
Plus, I would reset bot teams and send quality players from those teams to the market. If no one buys them, they will retire. |
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In my opinion, players should retire between 35 and 36 years old. I do not see logic of having players of 38 or 40 years and they are better than those of 27 for example. Although capable it harms me and also to my selection, I prefer that the players retire at that age or that they really lower their skills.  |
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emperor wrote:
Feinos wrote:
In my opinion, players should retire between 35 and 36 years old. I do not see logic of having players of 38 or 40 years and they are better than those of 27 for example. Although capable it harms me and also to my selection, I prefer that the players retire at that age or that they really lower their skills. |
Feinos, there are pro and cons situation.ex:
When we manage to build-up a 200 m tall player and 4* at 18 ( attack/ defence/ technique) at 13 each physical skills and find a place in a NT , that player will be a " forever beast" in this game.
But...it is difficult to have a few generations coming after a very strong one. In my case my players are very expensive already and I can not afford more than 1 generation from behind! It is impossible to have " waves of highly talented players and cover for the olders. |
It is completely clear, that every single player with 4 plus talent cost a lot of time and money. That's why we think in our community, that 38 years are not bad solution. Or Hadar think, that till 36 yo stay players like now and after that will be fall down another skill like physical.
You must count too, that after this change will be transfer market a litte bit changed. It maybe possible to earn money on training??? |
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Alexsoulsay wrote:
emperor wrote:
Feinos wrote:
In my opinion, players should retire between 35 and 36 years old. I do not see logic of having players of 38 or 40 years and they are better than those of 27 for example. Although capable it harms me and also to my selection, I prefer that the players retire at that age or that they really lower their skills. |
Feinos, there are pro and cons situation.ex:
When we manage to build-up a 200 m tall player and 4* at 18 ( attack/ defence/ technique) at 13 each physical skills and find a place in a NT , that player will be a " forever beast" in this game.
But...it is difficult to have a few generations coming after a very strong one. In my case my players are very expensive already and I can not afford more than 1 generation from behind! It is impossible to have " waves of highly talented players and cover for the olders. |
It is completely clear, that every single player with 4 plus talent cost a lot of time and money. That's why we think in our community, that 38 years are not bad solution. Or Hadar think, that till 36 yo stay players like now and after that will be fall down another skill like physical.
You must count too, that after this change will be transfer market a litte bit changed. It maybe possible to earn money on training??? |
But a good litter will not always come, there are not always winning generations. The logic is that each coach builds his team with his abilities. Having great players at the age of 40, 36 already seems to me a great player. It is also noted that the physique does not really drop in many players and they continue with 17 or 18 in resistance with more than 36 years. It's just an opinion about the game and how it could be more real. |
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emperor wrote:
Feinos, there are pro and cons situation.ex:
When we manage to build-up a 200 m tall player and 4* at 18 ( attack/ defence/ technique) at 13 each physical skills and find a place in a NT , that player will be a " forever beast" in this game.
But...it is difficult to have a few generations coming after a very strong one. In my case my players are very expensive already and I can not afford more than 1 generation from behind! It is impossible to have " waves of highly talented players and cover for the olders. |
The conditions would be the same for everyone. So everyone would have to deal with the same problems. And it would certainly increase the competitiveness and attractiveness of the game. |
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Hadar wrote:
emperor wrote:
Feinos, there are pro and cons situation.ex:
When we manage to build-up a 200 m tall player and 4* at 18 ( attack/ defence/ technique) at 13 each physical skills and find a place in a NT , that player will be a " forever beast" in this game.
But...it is difficult to have a few generations coming after a very strong one. In my case my players are very expensive already and I can not afford more than 1 generation from behind! It is impossible to have " waves of highly talented players and cover for the olders. |
The conditions would be the same for everyone. So everyone would have to deal with the same problems. And it would certainly increase the competitiveness and attractiveness of the game. |
Plus - We make 2 1/2 season pro year. That means, new manager needs 5 real years to bring players from 18 to 30 yo. Without money on start is not possible to buy good 18 yo players and after all of this..... At the end will be stay against managers with immortal top players.
Where is the motivation for newcomers? |
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Alexsoulsay wrote:
Hadar wrote:
The conditions would be the same for everyone. So everyone would have to deal with the same problems. And it would certainly increase the competitiveness and attractiveness of the game. |
Plus - We make 2 1/2 season pro year. That means, new manager needs 5 real years to bring players from 18 to 30 yo. Without money on start is not possible to buy good 18 yo players and after all of this..... At the end will be stay against managers with immortal top players.
Where is the motivation for newcomers? |
And that's the whole point. The market will come to life. Managers who came here later and do not have players in NT would also have a chance. The game must also be attractive for newcomers. |
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Most of you know that I'm quiting the game, despite of I also love it.
About fifteen seasons ago (5 years in real life), I decided to sell all players and rebuild my team with excelent young players. I was looking at the best ones till I collected a group that had chances.
What I've found 5 years later, with what I think an outstanding generation, is that I was almost in bankruptcy, playing agains players that had grown in my team and are still active (for instance Gábor Kovács 44 yo, Elvijs Popens 44 yo, Branislav Gabelica 43 yo and Luis Miguel Abadia 40 yo) and losing my category (my fault, didn´t working on the tactics a lot).
Due to my fail, I've come to the conclusion that game is disapppointing because:
a) Players retirement is not balanced. It is sudden instead of continuing, apart from the NT issue.
b) Economy does not allow you to compete at the same time you develope young players.
c) You only keep players that last, baning average players.
d) There are no average players, there is only top and garbage ones.
e) Beginers has no access to average players, they notice there is no chance to grow up so they quit.
f) Admins do nothing to develope game, veterans leave too.
ergo 
So, what would I do?
1. Fix players retirement. No retirement at 31-32 yo, normal process is that players start losing skills till the point they are not worthy for top team and those teams decides to sell them at low price so the beginers uses them till 36-37-38 (the moment even the low division team found it useless.
2. At the same time, Teams and NT start a natural process of rebuild. I won't be afraid anymore that my good 30 yo player, in which I´ve been working 12 seasons, does not get into NT and it is forced to retire. He may never reach that high but I won't have the feeling of time lost.
3. Review expenses buying arena, adding seats, hiring coaches,... they have not been changed in 11 years. Economic struggle makes game slow and anoying to beginers (after I quit I wouldn't go back only because of this).
4. Remove bot teams, reduce levels in leagues and, optional, reduce/gather regions (america, asia, oceania y africa should be together), even only one region (not easy, I know, League of Champions would disappear).
5. Sell as free agent the good players from bot teams. This could lead to economic problems for active users because they can't sell players properly as long as everybody is waitng for free agents. It has to be done carefully, but a lot of good players are lost when they are 23-28 yo.
This is not difficult if game owners have the will to listen to us and develope game. However, imo they don't care at all. |
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