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PStimpel wrote:
Serious: THIS IS A GAME IN THE WEB, not the "official handball world federation simulation webpage".
Show me a sport simulation on the web that covers all the real life aspects AND is playable for all (for free if you like).
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Serious, I was not asking for option like "order to the right back to attack on the external slot because the opponent left back is always defending with the right leg ahead" (and I could be really more technical than this sentence). I was only asking for having more realism regarding the moves of the team and some skills: wingers don't perform long shots or very few ones, one-on-one is an offensive skill, most of the cross passes are made between backs, and so on, and so on...
Most of the time, it's only a matter of statistics, so some formula that have to be changed. The "standard" managers won't see any difference if they have read the FAQ and handball fans like me will see something near enough of Handball to appreciate the game.
Then of course, I won't give you any sport management games "that covers all the real life aspects". But I can give so many that are really more closed to the sport simulated than THB. Well, in fact, all those I played. |
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Yoda54 wrote:
PStimpel wrote:
Serious: THIS IS A GAME IN THE WEB, not the "official handball world federation simulation webpage".
Show me a sport simulation on the web that covers all the real life aspects AND is playable for all (for free if you like).
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Serious, I was not asking for option like "order to the right back to attack on the external slot because the opponent left back is always defending with the right leg ahead" (and I could be really more technical than this sentence). I was only asking for having more realism regarding the moves of the team and some skills: wingers don't perform long shots or very few ones, one-on-one is an offensive skill, most of the cross passes are made between backs, and so on, and so on...
Most of the time, it's only a matter of statistics, so some formula that have to be changed. The "standard" managers won't see any difference if they have read the FAQ and handball fans like me will see something near enough of Handball to appreciate the game.
Then of course, I won't give you any sport management games "that covers all the real life aspects". But I can give so many that are really more closed to the sport simulated than THB. Well, in fact, all those I played. |
I guess we have quite different opinions/expectations. My post wasn't meant offending. But after the admins stated several times this is not to be a real life simulator these discussions are "useless" (too harsh, don't know an other word), or at least they will not lead to anything. You maybe right with the statistics and the math, a bit of tweaking here and there...however.
We had/have this discussion very often during the lifetime of grid iron - which is a game based on similar grounds. It resulted each time in a never ending discussion, sometimes more offending/attacking, sometimes less. This is why I keep an extra eye on such threads. As you know, there are people out there not able to have a clean discussion.
There are at bleast 3 parts of players here
1.) Managers
2.) Sports fanatics
3.) Just for fun gamers
1 and 2 combined is the #4 in this list. To please everyone will not be possible. IMO the target group is 1 and 3, much more than 2.
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No worry I wasn't thinking your post was offending or else. But your "official web handball simulation" show you misunderstood what I expected... and I bet our expectations were not so far.
It's sad to see that this kind of thread is useless (I see what you mean but don't have any other word too), for me, it means that devs don't take into account customers wishes.
Regarding the offending/attacking post, don't be afraid about me, mod job is well know by me and I simply ignore this kind of post. I've better things to do IRL or on the web than answering them (except if it comes from admins, of course...).
Finally, I think your manager stereotype is not complete enough and some degrees to each group. Of course, you'll never pleased the group 2 with high degrees except if you have a game played and understood by 10 people in the world... But you can pleased people from group 2 with low degrees while keeping the same level of enjoyment to managers of group 1 and 3.
I developped a small web management game based on handball some years ago. It was tested online by around 50 users, including handball fans and other who never played handball. The game was generally appreciate by all the categories of players and was really more closed of handball than THB. That's why I affimr it's something possible.
So well, THB brings me at least one good effect, it motivates me to find out my old project and restart a good developping  |
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Yoda54 wrote:
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It's sad to see that this kind of thread is useless (I see what you mean but don't have any other word too), for me, it means that devs don't take into account customers wishes.
Finally, I think your manager stereotype is not complete enough and some degrees to each group. Of course, you'll never pleased the group 2 with high degrees except if you have a game played and understood by 10 people in the world... But you can pleased people from group 2 with low degrees while keeping the same level of enjoyment to managers of group 1 and 3.
I developped a small web management game based on handball some years ago. It was tested online by around 50 users, including handball fans and other who never played handball. The game was generally appreciate by all the categories of players and was really more closed of handball than THB. That's why I affimr it's something possible.
So well, THB brings me at least one good effect, it motivates me to find out my old project and restart a good developping |
They dont take wishes into account? That is too harsh for me. They stick with their master plan sounds much better doesnt it?
You might be right for the different types of gameplayers here. We agree on this point to each other under the summary line, I guess.
Of course it is possible to write better simulations - no question about. The question is once more which target audience you want to please with your development. Most people I know here and in GI don't have an real idea for the sport. For football I would call myself an advanced one, for handball I am a noob, even I played more than 20 years ago as goalie. I wish much more depth for the football, and it is enough for me when it comes to handball. I guess this is the real problem when developing such a game - make it competitive for each of the different users, grouped by experience. I can't talk for handball, so I use football as example again. Some are in troublee to differ halfbacks and fullbacks, others want to use depth charts and situational playbooks on offense and defense. It is quite hard to match both needs in one game. Their masterplan here seems to be "create an easy to understand game for a broad audience, and don't care for the hard core professionals". This is OK, and they told us often enough.
However, since I am a developer by myself I wish you all the best with your simulation engine - really! And if this is the only good thing THB can deliver to you, take it!
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I think the conclusion is: Take it or leave it.
*For the people who don't like much reading  * |
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| Yes, these posts are quite long ! But interesting to read ! |
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Yes, very juicy comments....
I think Peter (PStimple) is right, this is a game, not Real Life |
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All the time in this good fiery discussion you 're forgetting something:
Players and tactics aren't developed. Players act dumb, they don't have the speed, strength, tactical knowledge, technique etc. They are on the level 6 of year old pee wees. It's like we would have kids in giant bodies starting to train and learn the team handball.
Players and teams are immature. At the end of next season you'll see a different picture.
We're glad that our game encourages individuals to follow their ideas. This proves that THB is more than just a game, although not the perfect team handball simulation.
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