Second Alternative Formation Doesn't Kick In
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Posted on 2009-11-09 10:35:12   
nzyowie
Posts: 157
In nearly every game I've played, the second alternative formation never kicks in, even when I have clearly set instructions to do so.

For example, in my latest game (http://www.teamhb.org/index.php?page=match&match_id=32073), I set one formation change to occur if my team was losing by 1-2 goals, 3-5 goals or 6+ goals after 20+ minutes. That happened. But I had another formation change to occur if my team was losing by 1-2 goals, 3-5 goals or 6+ goals after 40+ minutes. And even though the requirements were met, this second change never occurred. It probably wouldn't have made much difference to the result, but it is frustrating when tactical changes are completely ignored by the match engine, even when the criteria are right.

This is not a one-off either. It happens in nearly every game I play (because I really suck, although I'm doing OK in league games, mainly because nearly everyone else in my league sucks worse). Formation 1 triggers (though it's often late), but Formation 2 never does, even when the circumstances are right for it to do so.

I believe this is a serious bug that needs looking into. It probably hasn't made that much difference to the outcome of my games, but one day it could have a detrimental effect on a result.

Posted on 2009-11-09 11:33:07   
[THB] Admin
Posts: 936
nzyowie wrote:

In nearly every game I've played, the second alternative formation never kicks in, even when I have clearly set instructions to do so.

For example, in my latest game (http://www.teamhb.org/index.php?page=match&match_id=32073), I set one formation change to occur if my team was losing by 1-2 goals, 3-5 goals or 6+ goals after 20+ minutes. That happened. But I had another formation change to occur if my team was losing by 1-2 goals, 3-5 goals or 6+ goals after 40+ minutes. And even though the requirements were met, this second change never occurred. It probably wouldn't have made much difference to the result, but it is frustrating when tactical changes are completely ignored by the match engine, even when the criteria are right.

This is not a one-off either. It happens in nearly every game I play (because I really suck, although I'm doing OK in league games, mainly because nearly everyone else in my league sucks worse). Formation 1 triggers (though it's often late), but Formation 2 never does, even when the circumstances are right for it to do so.

I believe this is a serious bug that needs looking into. It probably hasn't made that much difference to the outcome of my games, but one day it could have a detrimental effect on a result.

It's because the second formation supersedes the 3rd one and since you have the same orders for both formations the second one gets chosen (always).

Posted on 2009-11-09 11:48:55   
nzyowie
Posts: 157
I don't have the same orders though! One's for after 20 minutes, while the other is for after 40 minutes.

In other words, the way it ought to work is: if losing after X minutes (20 in my case), use the first alternative, seeing as the starting formation wasn't up to scratch. If still losing after X minutes (40 in my case), use the second alternative. Because if the first alternative isn't working and I'm still losing, then I want to try another one. So if it's not a bug, then the design is flawed.

Posted on 2009-11-09 17:20:53   
apscst
Posts: 43
I had the same problem, Formation 2 doesn't play.

Here are my orders from today:

Starting formation
At the start of the game
Any score 30th+ minute

Formation 1
Any score 10th+ minute
Any score 40th+ minute

Formation 2
Any score 20th+ minute
Any score 50th+ minute

What could be wrong with that?

There are about 6 matches now since I can't use the 3rd lineup, I've tried a lot of intuitive orders... there is a bug or an unhandled feature (i.e. bug).

Please clarify this subject.

Thanks


Posted on 2009-11-09 17:31:09   
PStimpel
Posts: 0
apscst wrote:

I had the same problem, Formation 2 doesn't play.

Here are my orders from today:

Starting formation
At the start of the game
Any score 30th+ minute

Formation 1
Any score 10th+ minute
Any score 40th+ minute

Formation 2
Any score 20th+ minute
Any score 50th+ minute

What could be wrong with that?

There are about 6 matches now since I can't use the 3rd lineup, I've tried a lot of intuitive orders... there is a bug or an unhandled feature (i.e. bug).

Please clarify this subject.

Thanks



Since you told "Any score" for each it will not work, note the small "+" behind the time slot! Means 30+ matches to 30,31,32,...,59,60.

This is a mistake when you think it means @30 minute.


Posted on 2009-11-09 17:32:06   
PStimpel
Posts: 0
@all

read carefully!

http://www.teamhb.org/index.php?page=community&subpage=viewt&t=182

Posted on 2009-11-09 17:37:54   
apscst
Posts: 43
Ok, but the previous game I've played with this:

Starting formation
At the start of the game
- 30th+ minute

Formation 1
- 10th+ minute
- 40th+ minute

Formation 2
- 20th+ minute
- 50th+ minute


And only Starting formation was used during the match.

How am I supposed to change the lineup in the "50th" minute at "any score"?

And what is the "Any score" for? How am I supposed to use it if not like
Any score Xth minute?

Posted on 2009-11-09 17:55:46   
apscst
Posts: 43
PStimpel wrote:

@all

read carefully!

http://www.teamhb.org/index.php?page=community&subpage=viewt&t=182


Thanks, I've read it.

I'd say that using different lineups is a limited tricky feature

I do hope for a quick and sound improvement because we need it

Bonne chance

Posted on 2009-11-09 18:42:06   
PStimpel
Posts: 0
@Admin: time to improve the FAQ for this?
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