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@pumuckl:
You actually wrote what we are saying. No matter what we do to win the users over (we did try), the support was abysmal.
With 3000 users, only about 7% were supporters and now, with ~1900 users, there are about 9% of supporters.
Kind of confirms what we are saying. 
We don't ask for credit, when the support is abysmal, was abysmal at beginning and was abysmal when we did work on the game improving it and fixing it.
As we see it, the game is either not interesting enough to be supported (well it is possible, why not), or maybe users think that the game doesn't need support or there is something else here. That's why we posted this topic anyway, ... to maybe find out.
Because if we would look at the game strictly in "business" way (as you put it), this game would be shut down awhile ago. |
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Tarzan wrote:
Besides that I totally agree with everything exposed by Pumucky I would add, the reason many of those who were paying before the suporter now we've stopped paying?? ...
For example, I am one of those who since the beginning of the game paid the suporter to help the game for a month and I stopped to see the passivity that have managers with users...
Besides that I totally agree with everything exposed by Pumucky I would add, the reason many of those who were paying before the suporter now we've stopped paying?? ...
For example, I am one of those who since the beginning of the game paid the suporter to help the game for a month and I stopped to see the passivity that have managers with users ...
You have not stopped to think about the global crisis we have and have not been able to lower the price of suporter ... is more, think a bit if not better keep 3,000 users, providing 10 € before 100 users contribute € 30 ...
3,000 X 10 = 30,000 (and growing the game)
100 X 30 = 3,000 (and decreasing the game) |
We checked other games and practically all supporters are priced higher than THB one.
Think of it the other way. Inflation went up, prices went up. Most of the games raised their prices a few times already, but our supporter in ALL our games is still priced exactly the same as it was at the beginning a few years (years) back. |
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Administrator wrote:
Because if we would look at the game strictly in "business" way (as you put it), this game would be shut down awhile ago. |
You miss one point, dear admin: check the total revenue. It was higher when the game had more users @7 percent supporter rate, true? It would be even higher with 4k or 10k users at 5%...You cannot look at the percentage from the business point of view, it is the total - because hard costs would be fix, not user based until a certain extend. This means you missed to keep the people...due communication (by not doing it).
I do not know to whom I am talking right now...maybe you was there wen GI opened in 2008, as I was. Maybe you was there when THB opened, I was there. Maybe you know the times when Supernimda was there for a joke on her white trousers, or Strudel...GI attracted more than 500 supporters "some months" ago...you had one of the friendliest communities in that other game, and missed it to built upon that - to move this success you had earlier to this game.
we agree that 500*20 Euros is not enough to run such a game based on business aspects - even on the lower rates of income in Slovenia - , but it was a move into the right direction. You know why? You were communicative. Then you stopped for certain reasons - you will know them better than I do - and became a bunch of quiet game-owners..doing only the absolute needed things, most of the times even not that.
Dont get me wrong, as you do usually, these posts are not meant to take you down by posting all the negative things...but changing the negative for the better is the first, and most important step! Writing begging letters is not dealing with the reason itself...basically, even if all users would pay per today, would they if you change nothing? Probably not
From what I have read so far, and your responses, it seems the point where it would be possible to save the game is over already...but this is on you, the owner of the game, and his account numbers of course. Is the owner willing to invest once more into the future of the game? If not - if you were asked to write this post and get fast money "only" - ...here is my advice: shut the server down
Not meant to be harsh, or as a personal attack... |
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pumuckl wrote:
Administrator wrote:
Because if we would look at the game strictly in "business" way (as you put it), this game would be shut down awhile ago. |
You miss one point, dear admin: check the total revenue. It was higher when the game had more users @7 percent supporter rate, true? It would be even higher with 4k or 10k users at 5%...You cannot look at the percentage from the business point of view, it is the total - because hard costs would be fix, not user based until a certain extend. This means you missed to keep the people...due communication (by not doing it).
I do not know to whom I am talking right now...maybe you was there wen GI opened in 2008, as I was. Maybe you was there when THB opened, I was there. Maybe you know the times when Supernimda was there for a joke on her white trousers, or Strudel...GI attracted more than 500 supporters "some months" ago...you had one of the friendliest communities in that other game, and missed it to built upon that - to move this success you had earlier to this game.
we agree that 500*20 Euros is not enough to run such a game based on business aspects - even on the lower rates of income in Slovenia - , but it was a move into the right direction. You know why? You were communicative. Then you stopped for certain reasons - you will know them better than I do - and became a bunch of quiet game-owners..doing only the absolute needed things, most of the times even not that.
Dont get me wrong, as you do usually, these posts are not meant to take you down by posting all the negative things...but changing the negative for the better is the first, and most important step! Writing begging letters is not dealing with the reason itself...basically, even if all users would pay per today, would they if you change nothing? Probably not
From what I have read so far, and your responses, it seems the point where it would be possible to save the game is over already...but this is on you, the owner of the game, and his account numbers of course. Is the owner willing to invest once more into the future of the game? If not - if you were asked to write this post and get fast money "only" - ...here is my advice: shut the server down
Not meant to be harsh, or as a personal attack... |
The whole point is that with 7% of supporters, you cannot run the game properly even if you have 100,000 users.  It doesn't matter how communicative or non-communicative you are.
And costs are not fixed. Every couple of 1000 users you need a new server power, more admin time and more development time in order to upgrade the game (the more complex the game, the more development and test time you need for upgrades).
But you know that anyway and don't need me explaining you that.
The point of this thread is not "quick cash" because it won't come to that. The point was in getting opinions about possible donations and maybe to see if there is even interest from users for us to keep the game alive. |
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Instead of making that decision, just do both if you think communication doesn't matter. Add such a Donation button, and keep the supporter. But start to stay true to your promise that supporters have no ingame advantages...means remove the restriction of seeing caps, and remove the restriction from the live viewer. Then think about what to offer to the Donators...on top of an "ugly" badge
Good luck!
Btw: writing a new engine (just an example) is consuming exactly the same time if you do that for one users or 10000...this is why you have chosen the way of writing a MMORPG |
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my proposal
1. better communications between staff and users
2. new league system with 16 teams in one league
1-2 - promotion
3-4 - play off
5-8 - stay in league
9-12 - play off
13-16 - relegation
leagues:
top division
II.1, II.2
III.1, III.2, III.3, III.4
etc
3. more matches in week, 2 league matches + cup match + friendly
4. shorter season, we have now 19 or 20 weeks, we need (with 16 teams league and 2 matches) 16 weeks.
5. new competitions, only LoC this is to little, we need compatitions for teams from 2-4 places and for best cup teams.
6. improve GE and match statictics, we need missed shots, turnovers, blocks, fast breaks, assist
7. improve tactics generator - now when we change a tactic f.e. loosing 1-2 goals, when we win 1 goal the old tactic come back. Its ridicoulus. The tactic should be changed only ONCE and conditions shouldn't be check all time.
8. more tips in guide. I can't see important skills for each position, I can't see important skills for using tactics. When a new user reads guide, he knows nothing how to set a good tactic.
9. more league statistics (maybe supporter option), best shooters, assisters, best goalies, maybe team of the week ?
10. supporter option to play other competitions with friends, maybe without exp and money, only for testing tactics
11. maybe a youngster team ?
12. new buildings ?
13. new better layout
We need more action in game, now is a little boring. |
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| jose111 | |
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ZenekKonevka wrote:
my proposal
1. better communications between staff and users
2. new league system with 16 teams in one league
1-2 - promotion
3-4 - play off
5-8 - stay in league
9-12 - play off
13-16 - relegation
leagues:
top division
II.1, II.2
III.1, III.2, III.3, III.4
etc
3. more matches in week, 2 league matches + cup match + friendly
4. shorter season, we have now 19 or 20 weeks, we need (with 16 teams league and 2 matches) 16 weeks.
5. new competitions, only LoC this is to little, we need compatitions for teams from 2-4 places and for best cup teams.
6. improve GE and match statictics, we need missed shots, turnovers, blocks, fast breaks, assist
7. improve tactics generator - now when we change a tactic f.e. loosing 1-2 goals, when we win 1 goal the old tactic come back. Its ridicoulus. The tactic should be changed only ONCE and conditions shouldn't be check all time.
8. more tips in guide. I can't see important skills for each position, I can't see important skills for using tactics. When a new user reads guide, he knows nothing how to set a good tactic.
9. more league statistics (maybe supporter option), best shooters, assisters, best goalies, maybe team of the week ?
10. supporter option to play other competitions with friends, maybe without exp and money, only for testing tactics
11. maybe a youngster team ?
12. new buildings ?
13. new better layout
We need more action in game, now is a little boring. |
i like this suggestion  |
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| please don´t close the game .. it´s so good, only yo need to make more improvements if you need money to make this , i´ll ask for help to make this for example nolife is promoting new desing and he ´d help yo to improve the game out of money |
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Administrator wrote:
to see if there is even interest from users for us to keep the game alive. |
we are playing this game because we don't anything else better to do???no,we play this game because we like it.I,personal,tried to make more romanians to play this game by posting a comment about this site on handball articles on sport sites from Romania.I didn't do it for personal glory or to obtain something from you or those who signed,I just wanted to be a better NT in this game by adding more managers to our country.I don't know if are many readers who saw my comment and sign here after but I saw few fellow new signers from Romania who after they're sign up and saw the game they never came back.And I think that's the biggest problem here.Again,when I'm looking for teams to play the friendly weekly match(I'm choosing randomly from weakest divisions of all regions)I see many teams who were last time visited in the day that those teams were born,meaning founded and last active actually being the same day.So do some changes to be liked to the newcomer's eyes and then start to figure how to increase your income. |
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